Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles - Chapter 17:11 is about a messiah (David’s seed)—but it is not Jesus. This is yet another example of “proof texting” where the list maker lifts one line (17:11) out of context. When one reads this chapter it is clear that the prophet, Nathan, is speaking to King David about his son Solomon. Solomon. Not Jesus. “And it will come to pass when your days (David) are finished to go with your forefathers, then I (G-d) shall raise up your seed after you, who will be of your sons, and I shall establish his kingdom. He will build Me a house, and I shall establish his throne forever.” Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 17:11-12 Did Jesus built G-d a house? Nope. The Second Temple had been standing since 349 BCE – 350 years before Jesus was supposedly born. It stood for another 40 years after his murder (the Second Temple was destroyed in 68 CE). Is G-d speaking of the second Temple when he is talking to David? Nope. Some missionaries will say “this has to be Jesus because G-d says “I shall establish his throne forever” and Solomon’s throne did not exist forever.” You need to tell those missionaries to skip ahead to chapter 22. G-d is again speaking to David and He says “Behold a son will be born to you; he will be a man of peace, and I shall give him peace from all his enemies around about, for Solomon will be his name, and I shall give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. He shall build a House in My Name, and he shall be to Me as a son, and I to him as a Father, and I shall prepare the throne of his kingdom forever.'” Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 22:9-10. The message of Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 17:11-12 is repeated in Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 22:9-10 and this time Solomon is given by name. The information is the same:
What about Solomon’s line having the throne forever? Many missionaries will claim that Jesus was the last possible Davidic heir. They seem to think that all the Jewish lineage records were kept in the Temple and they were destroyed when the Temple was destroyed (this is a myth). The promise of G-d was that David’s line would always be the rightful heirs to the kingdom (not that the line would remain always upon the throne). One day the real messiah will be descended from Kings David and Solomon. There are people alive today who can trace their lines back to the two kings. . . It always struck me as odd that some missionaries seem convinced that 2000 years since Jesus “proves” that he was the last Davidic heir – and yet they totally ignore that for 600 years before Jesus supposedly lived there were no Davidic kings. Why does the 600 year gap not concern the missionaries? They simply ignore that “gap.” And they call Jews blind! Matthew 1:1 says “This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham.” Yet this list names Joseph as Jesus' father -- and most Christians believe Joseph was NOT Jesus' biological father, meaning this would not be the genealogy of Jesus. See Matthew 1:16 "and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah." So Matthew is listing Joseph's lineage (supposedly) -- and if Joseph is not Jesus' biological father this list is immaterial. A tribal status (and thus the right to be a Davidic king) passes only if the mother is Jewish before she is pregnant, and if the biological father (meaning his sperm) impregnates her. It the "holy spirit" impregnated Mary then Jesus has no tribal status and is not eligible to be the messiah. See post #48 which is also about David's seed and Matthew 1.1 (link). Matthew 9:27 (the second "proof text" given by the list maker) is merely one of 17 instances in the Christian bible where Jesus is called the "son of David." Being a descendant of David (and Solomon) is a requirement to be the messiah -- but it is only one -- and one fulfilled by tens of thousands of men (probably hundreds of thousands) over the past 2600 years since the last Davidic king reigned. . . there are even Jewish men alive today who can claim to be "David's son" -- so this does not prove that Jesus was the messiah, and per the "virgin birth" Jesus was not a "son of David" (an heir to the throne). Bottom line: Jesus appears not to have been a son of David, but even if one could say that he was that does not mean he was the person named in Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 17:11. The person referenced in that passage is Solomon, David's actual son who DID build the Temple for G-d. This is re-enforced when reading Divrei Hayamim Alef / I Chronicles 22:9-10 where the same statements are made and Solomon is directly named as David's son who built the Temple. This time the list maker has given a prophecy, but the prophecy was about Solomon and his heirs (one of which will be the messiah) -- but it does not fit Jesus.
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